Miss C will now address Zontar's ignorance
Miss C made a couple points about the lack of intelligence or beneficial action on the part of Kofi Annan and Desmond Tutu. Zontar's rebuttal, conservatives supported apartheid. Yeah and Miss C's rebuttal to Zontar, which is about as meaningful as his, Martin Luther King Jr was a Republican. Big effing deal. Apartheid was then and these African idiots are now.
Miss C points out that (Black) thugs are terrorizing Black seniors in Oakland. Zontar takes Miss C to task for stereotyping. Because, of course, stereotyping is a much bigger crime than knocking seniors to the hard cold pavement while robbing them of their social security funds.
A former SF police officer wrote a letter to the SF Chronicle yesterday saying that in the 1970's when he was on the force, Blacks were 28% of the population and yet the race of perpetrater reported by victims of crime was 70% Black. Now you have to figure that even a smaller percentage of the Black community were criminals, maybe even 1 or 2% and yet they commited 70% of reported crimes. That's some messed up Sh#*. Of course Zontar can't get to the point which is that the Black inner city community is in crisis. The left, who are in charge of the inner city systems, can't admit it so they will never find a solution. It's like AA, you have to admit there is a problem.
Blaming white people for the behaviors that primarily affect Black people is like blaming the liquor companies for alcoholism. It accomplishes nothing. Zontar's states that his sister was victimized by her boyfriend, a crack addict, after having refused to live an a high crime, "Black" neighborhood in East Palo Alto. Miss C's rebuttal to that, is that drug addiction does not have nearly the same impact on White communities as it does on Black. Black people have no safety nets, no back up. Blacks are concentrated in neighborhoods and often are trapped by the deterioration of their schools, properties and institutions. Whites are more mobile. So while Zontar's sister was victimized by only one crack addict, a Black or Hispanic senior citizen may be victimized multiple times by crack addicts, who live all around them. We have had a number of cases here in the Bay Area where an old lady has had gangsters, some times her own relatives, move into her house and terrorized and beat and steal from her and otherwise use her house to sell drugs from.
Zontar thinks Al Gore, that quivering sack of southern fried goo, is a great guy. Zontar worries day and night about the threat of global warming and yet, in an insulting comment, Zontar calls Miss C a loser for not being able to drive. So in actuality Miss C does less to contribute to global warming than Zontar does and his great advice is that she stop conserving and start consuming more energy.
Miss C thinks Zontar blows enough gas already.
posted by Miss Carnivorous @ 1:46 PM
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OK, you're not a loser. I was joking. But you are a whiner.
Also, I recognize the seriousness of the problems in the inner city. Blacks are the main victims of the high crime rate, most of which is drug related. What are your suggestions for dealing with these problems?
It looks like you still miss the point. It's not who is the victim, it's who is committing the crime?
If there weren't crimes of murder or assault we wouldn't have a victim to be concerned about.
The left has made excuses for the behavior of ethnic groups for far too long.
The behavior of inner-city blacks, and hispanics is dispicable. Yet, nobody seems to really want to do anything about it.
Those poor people....why, they are just a victim of society. Let it slide.
Brad, your statements are racist. "The behavior of ethnic groups?" Ethnic groups do not have behavior--individuals do. Only a minority of inner-city blacks and hispanics engage in violent, criminal behavior, and their victims are largely the non-criminal majority of inner-city blacks and hispanics. What part of that do you not understand? My sympathies are with the victims, obviously. Criminals should be prosecuted, of course, no one denies that, but we have a larger prison population than most countries, and yet the problem is unsolved.
I repeat, what are your suggestions or proposals?
Zontar -
it is not racist to state a fact. That is a falicy of the libs and the left.
You, or anyone else, is 9 times more likely to be killed by a black male than by any other "person."
That's not racist. That's factual. I don't make people act like heathens without any respect for themselves or anyone else. They do that just fine on their own.
You sounds like a typical liberal person proclaiming that ethnic groups don't exhibit certain types of behavior, only individuals. BUT, let's make sure to isolate and placate the ethnic groups by treating them differently.
I really doubt that I am 9 times more likely to be killed by a black male. Maybe if I lived in the inner city that might be true. My point was that only a minority of the residents of the inner city engage in violent crime. Do you dispute that?
The point is this, Blacks are generally more fucked up than Whites. Like somebody really smart said once, a week of drinking has little effect on a well off person, but can have a devestating effect on a poor man. Stupid White college students told them it was racist for the White establishment to expect Blacks to act in a civilized manner. Tune out, turn on, fight authority. After the White college students pretended to flout authority for a few years while they got their degrees, they went on to get jobs studying and caring for Black people. Blacks went on to have broken families drug addiction, joblessness, illiteracy, high crime rates and alcoholism.
The problems you mention are obviously serious problems in the black community. There are obviously and undeniably long-standing historical/social factors at work here, and yet I believe in individual responsibility. There may be a higher crime rate in the black community, and yet the criminals are still only a minority of that community. That is the point that you and Brad do not seem to understand.
I always thought that individual responsibility is a strong Conservative value, and yet, for some reason, rather than criticise the criminal element you want to generalize it to "blacks". This is racism; unconscious racism perhaps, but racism nonetheless.
Now you will no doubt say that you do not mean "all blacks". Fine, but it is not "most blacks" either.
You would be surprised at how unhealthy seemingly "normal" blacks relations to each other and crime are. I work with really nice Black women who think nothing of knocking out a kid, or beating him so bad they can't send him to school because the teacher will call child protective services.
Nearly all of them are taking care of their brother's kids because their brother has assaulted somebody and is in jail. These women get so abused by boyfriends, some of them by guys I work with, custodians and security guards. Black women are desperate for the attentions of men, even scum, because they never knew their fathers and they actually will pay men to stay around. Often they don't even get a man's company because he is off to pick up money from another woman.
You forget, I have Black friends and colleagues. The stories they tell are horrific, even to me who had a really bad childhood. My mom had problems with substance abuse and was raised on Welfare but I was not physically abused. These are Blacks you might think are doing well, on casual aquaintence. That is why the Black women on the OJ jury thought that Nicole deserved to die, because most Black women get the shit beat out of them by their men, across the class spectrum. The women think it's their fault.
Our custodian's son was murdered. The female gardener's niece killed a liquor store clerk. One co-workers daughter's boyfriend is a bank robber. Another co-worker's dad has 12 kids by 10 different women, none of whom he supports and he is in a notorious black motorcycle gang, that regularly fights with the mexican mafia. This girl used to sleep at work, all the time. They wanted to fire her and I actually went to bat for her thus ruining my reputation forever when she turned out to be a total flake in her new position.
One co-worker's brother's nickname in East Oakland is "Murder Man" and he says he will never kiss a woman, because it's disgusting, and the neighborhood kids run when they see him. This guy works for Parks and Rec and got in trouble(along with a lot of other City employees) for hanging out at the bar and the gym during work hours and paying homeless people $5.00 to do his work for him.
My Black co-workers beat and starve dogs and cats to death. They get a cat get tired of it and kill it. They fight dogs.
Their work habits are terrible, they take a lot of time off. The often need to because their kids are so messed up they get kicked out of school all the time. These are the people that have competed for city jobs and performed well on tests. In other words the cream of the crop. if this is the best they can do, you can only imagine the habits of the underclass.
Have you ever watched the movie, Once Were Warriors? If not you should. When I saw that movie I was totally affected by it. The Black women I worked with were not affected at all because it was their life and it was as regular to them as it was shocking to me. To them all men behave like the husband Jake.
They are as different from you and I as it is possible to be, as far as cultural values. That is not racism, that is fact. Even though I was raised around Black men, I am not attracted to them, ever, because of their pathologies, I know way too much about their inner workings to even consider them as boyfriend material. I'd get beat robbed and raped as a regular practice. My white friend dated a Black cop who had kids all over the place, gave her crabs and recently was arrested for kidnapping and sexual assault on a girl in SF. You can call me racist, because it does not bother me to have liberals use the term. Liberals have killed more Blacks than white racists ever did, so what you say is totally unimportant to me. I care more about Blacks because they are my friends and I live among them. I have seen the damage the liberal social policies have done first hand. More white liberal policies can't help Blacks. Blacks have to help themselves.
Your nice black friends knock out their children? I wouldn't be friends with someone who would do that. I believe in individual responsibility and evaluate potential friends by the content of their character not race, nor do I make generalizations based on race. Almost all serial killers are white; I am not sure why that is but it is a fact.
Miss C,
I doubt that Zontar knows any black people and if he does they are probably middle or upper middle class blacks. The typical liberal way of caring is to live out in an upscale suburb with a few token black families. If Zontar does live in the city it certainly is not in a bad area.
Zontar I dare you to take your bleeding heart theories to Detroit and see how long you would last around State Fair neighborhood. The black family unit was destroyed by caring liberals. You can go to almost any poor black neighborhood and see that very few of the residents are honest hard working people. The blacks that are honest and hard working get the hell out. I have friends from Africa that want nothing to do with American blacks because they see them as lazy immoral people that blame their circumstances on
the white race instead of trying
to lift themselves up. I live next to a barrio in Houston and I can tell you that it is not a small percentage of people that cause the problem. There is a general mindset in the community that anything is fair game as long as you don't get caught. You have got to stop using the racist card every time a person makes an observation about another race. You wish to stifle debate by accusing anyone with different viewpoints as being a racist or bigot or whatever phobe. Like I've stated in another thread I don't think you are very mature in your thought process.
The fact that serial killers are mostly white is a non issue. A tiny percentage of whites are serial killers. A large percentage of Blacks are criminals relative to their populations.
Also the reason they get the death penalty more often percentage wise is because their crimes involve all the death penalty prerequisites, like murder during an armed robbery, torture, rape and kidnapping. When Blacks engage in crimes against other races they are often horrifically brutal. They are bad enough when it comes to the brutalities they commit against their own race.
This is proven by the reports other Blacks make when they are the victims of crimes. When Blacks describe suspects they describe Blacks. This is not racism, this is the state of affairs in the big city. So what to do?
It's not white people living in the rich areas calling the police on Blacks, it's Blacks calling the police on other Blacks, because they are afraid for their lives.
As for my friend knocking out her worthless nephew and leaving him to lie unconscious for an hour, on her steps, well, her nephew breaks into her house and steals from her regularly. When she lets him in out of pity, he also steals from her. I might be tempted to know his worthless ass out too!
Regarding the probability of being killed by a black man, I kept statistics here in the Fort Worth area about 20 years ago. At that time it appeared that about half of people murdered were killed by someone they knew. For white people 90% of the half killed by someone they didn't know was killed by a black man. For the half of people killed by someone they didn't know almost none were killed by whites other than, perhaps policemen. (From police reports in the newspaper I couldn't tell if the policemen who did the shooting were black or white.) These numbers may have changed over the last 20 years because of the huge influx of illigal aliens from south of the border. They mostly seem to kill each other. According to data in Steve Sailer's blog, black men are about 8 or 9 times as likely to commit murder as white men. Hispanics are about four times as likely to commit murder as Anglo men. In Texas about half of the men on death row are black. Since blacks are about 12 or 13 % of the population in Texas, so Sailer's statistics seem to be about right.
Texas, I do not live in a bad area, you are right, although I did for several years. I do know some black people, mostly because my daughter's mother (the ex) is black.
Well, Zontar, I have a lot of white friends with beautiful half Black daughters. To their eternal misery, their daughters have begun to date ghetto blacks, who are considered cool amongst their peers. It is common for these Black boys to abuse their daughters. Calling them bitches and hitting them in front of their mothers even. I am hoping you will not have to go through this. Of course the fact that you are an active father will make all the difference. The half Black girls have Black fathers who do not give a shit about them! I wish more of my Black friends would get with white guys, who are all around better fathers and providers. Not all of course.
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