If you come in my cage I'll eat you too!

Tuesday, January 09, 2007

Blacks boo and disrespect Hispanic Oakland City Council member during mayor Ron Dellums inauguration.

Ignacio De La Fuente called the audience's actions disrespectful to the new mayor, and said he felt racially attacked by the cat-calls and curses. They called him "nacho" and told him to go back to Mexico.

Had he won the mayoral election, De La Fuente would have been Oakland's first Latino mayor.

Well, the Blacks would have lynched him if he had been elected mayor. Blacks claim he is only interested in furthering the interests of Hispanics. I think this is a serious case of projection! It's amazing, they won the election and still behave like thugs. There is just no pleasing them.


At 11:40 PM , Anonymous Dan said...

No pleasing "THEM?" THEM?

Did you not see the entire display of foul conduct or did your eyes, ears and brain fail you in noticing the whites who seemed to have lost it also? Perhaps you've got a problem that you need to address before you pass judgment on others.

And speaking of judgment, even minimal judgment, let alone modest intellect would have precluded you from the rabid generalization implied in "there's no pleasing them."

It's regrettable that there aren't remedial brain enhancing classes for bird-brains like you. But just maybe, there's one of those dummy courses for bird-brains available. Keep your eyes open and if you find one make sure to enroll right away. You'll be doing yourself and the world a big favor.

At 7:04 PM , Blogger Miss Carnivorous said...

You are in denial, Blacks are the problem for Blacks. You are proof, Puddin'

At 10:48 PM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

I think that both of you not only have demonstrated similar behavior to that which occurred at the inauguration, but you have also perpetuated its futile and damaging effects. Certainly, cultural and racial identity is not unimportant but the problem of discrimination will only truly be dissolved when governments and people alike think less in terms of ethnic difference and more in terms of civic equality.

At 9:18 PM , Blogger Miss Carnivorous said...

Hardly, I state my opinions on a blog. They are my opinions only. No one has paid or donated to a campaign and is attending a party to celebrate a victory which then turns into a ridiculous fracas. If someone does not care to hear my opinion they are welcome to leave my blog. The people at Mayor Dellum's inaguration were held hostage by thugs who ruined everyone's good time and frightened the elderly. Reminds me of the former Festivals by the Lake which we had to cancel due to the bad behavior of some Blacks. I stand by my original statement. Blacks do not like to hear the truth about the state their people in the inner city are in. Many Blacks in Oakland are self defeatists. As for characterizing people by race, you may want to get out more and actually see how polarizing race is in reality. may I suggest that you ride public transit.

At 8:45 PM , Anonymous Average Joe said...

Sounds like you have a very sour and cynical outlook on life. If you're not a part of the solution, you're part of the problem I always say. But keep flapping your gums and pointing your finger if it makes you happy. You know, not too long ago African Americans were slaves. Although they were freed and given equal rights they were not handed a check. People that start at the bottom cannot be expected to rise up the social and economic ladder overnight, especially when faced with discrimination and lipservice from people like you. Shouldn't this be obvious? Oh, wait, judging by the pony you are sitting on in your picture you were handed life on a siler platter. Nevermind.

At 12:30 PM , Blogger Miss Carnivorous said...

Actually, what you think you know and what you actually know are 2 different things. True I had a pony once. My mother was for a very short time during the Vietnam war, married to a sailor whose parents had a horse ranch outside of Baltimore. We lived on the ranch in Maryland for 2 years while he was fighting over seas. Then we moved back to Oakland, where I was born and he left my mom and we lived in East Oakland on welfare. So, you see, you are about as ignorant as it gets and tend to make rash assumptions. As for being part of any problem, I support tough love. You may think that you are helping Blacks but I think you are the reason they are dying by the hundreds in cities across America. Until you admit that they need to stand up and change their dangerous culture and take responsibilty for their individual actions, they are doomed. I see them as individuals, you see them as powerless victims of a larger society, that's racist. Look at the homicides in Oakland. one or 2 whites were killed. A handful of hispanics. 95 percent were Blacks. As for being slaves a short time ago, that's ridiculous and begs the question, why are some Blacks successful, and some not, when most of their anscestors were once slaves. The reason is clear, because some people are able to make individual choices on a daily basis, that can make their lives and the lives of those around them, better. There is no point in even arguing with you as you are a member of the irrational set, an unfortunate confluence of DNA and liberal indoctrination.

At 7:11 PM , Anonymous average joe said...

Oh now you see African Americans as individuals? Please pick a side and stay with it. I have browsed your blog and every other word is "Blacks this" "Jews that." You constantly make sweeping generalizations about entire races of people and then when I challenge your logic, you switch back and argue that you see people as"individuals." Which is it? The fact that you even mention the individual negates your whole, "there's no pleasing them" argument. Give me a break. Pick a story and stick with it.

At 8:18 PM , Anonymous me said...

And don't put words in my mouth. I don't see African Americans as powerless victims of a larger society. I do however consider the facts before I pass judgment. My point is that if you take two groups and one has a significant economic/social/educational disadvantage it is much harder and will the take much longer for the disadvantaged to reach parity. There is a learning process that has to occur. I'm talking common sense here.

At 10:39 AM , Blogger Miss Carnivorous said...

If a learning process was going on I would agree with you but things are regressing, not progressing. Blacks are in thrall to the white liberals. The liberals have not done a single thing for blacks except to encourage them to check out from society and engage in wholesale behavior that has had a huge detrimental effect on the underclass. The white hippies got away with it, the blacks paid a huge price for it and still are. Like someone once said, a rich man can go on a 2 week drinking spree and suffer no effects, but a poor man will ruin the rest of his life if he does it.

I speak in general terms because the pathologies in Oakland do cover a general amount of the population. We are talking inner city here. I grew up here. I went to school here, I had parents who epitomized the underclass and I blame them directly. I don't blame my mom's alcoholic dad for the choices she made, I blame her. I don't blame her for the choices I have made, I blame myself.

You generalize too Joe, you are proposing to speak for the Black community as well. And defending them en masse, even though a lot of them behve in ways that could be described as inhuman. You are not objective. If whites at the meeting had frightened the Chinese I would be pissed as hell about it.

Why is it so hard for you to admit that you are shamed by such behavior? I think you are, or you would not be so defensive about it.

What do you care what some white woman says on a persoanl blog. I have come to my opinions over years of hard, hard thinking and experience you are never going to change my mind. I know I am not going to change yours.

I will say this, I have said it in columns before. I moved to Fremont with an ex for a few years in the 90's. I hated it. Do you know why? Because there were not very many Black people there. I missed them like hell. When people would ask where I lived, I would still say Oakland. I felt like I was just spending the night in Fremont.

Blacks are a part of me, deep in my heart, I love them and care for them and want only the best for them. I love the sight and sound of them, but my heart breaks for what they have sufered and continued to suffer, but I do not see the current thinking on education and government as being the answer to the problems many Blacks are experiencing. I know because I went to Oakland and Baltimore, schools. They are run by liberals and the liberals are failing Blacks. The do not have any answers. They feel sorry for people but that is about it.

So, let's try new things and quit throwing good money after bad. I am willing to give Ron Dellums the support he needs for any program, but if he is going to cater to the same old bunch making the same old complaints them we are still stuck on stupid. Those very vocal Blacks control a lot of the politics through their hostility and bitter resentment. They suck up time, and energy and throw wrenches in the works. I am sick of them and I will say so when ever I feel like it on my blog. If you don't like it don't read it.

At 10:43 PM , Anonymous average joe said...

I don't feel any shame whatsoever for the way that African Americans behave. Why should I? I'm not African American. I'm don't attempt to defend blacks, but when I see a socially and economically disadvantaged group of people such as they I do attempt to make an effort to figure out why it happened. Though the only person you can blame for your actions is yourself, you can't be expected to take the blame for the circumstances you are dealt. That’s my point. When I see people in poor shape, such as many of the blacks in Oakland I don’t simply rush, as so many people do, to the decision that blacks are poor because they’re lazy. Its just not true. Once your in a hole its more difficult to dig yourself out than an objective person might think. Especially when you have to deal with racism to boot. Hell, there is still a professor teaching at Cal that was in the courtroom arguing pro segregation for Brown vs. Board of Education. The environmental factor is not a myth. And people do treat black people differently. However, I realize this is not the only factor. I do subscribe to your view that they need to stand up and take responsibility for their own actions but I think maybe, you are overlooking some of the reasons they where they are to begin with. As for their culture, you can’t deny that whites had at least some roll in creating that culture. Had more whites made an effort to embrace blacks rather than spray them with fire hoses, sick German Shepards on them, and assassinate their leaders maybe they wouldn’t have developed a culture that was less “dangerous” in the eyes of whites. So I wish you luck with your tough love. I would be thrilled it did them some good.

At 10:57 AM , Blogger Miss Carnivorous said...

There you go again, lumping those of the same race together. All whites are not responsible for the plight of inner city Blacks. Whites ended slavery. Whites were instrumental in ending Jim Crow.

If you are not Black then you are a typical white liberal feeling guilt for the crimes of other whites. What a useless emotion. Pity is destructive in the long run. I have seen liberals like you ruin Blacks by refusing to expect Blacks to behave in a civilized manner or to learn anything of value in school. 30 years ago Oakland was not like this. Liberal administration after liberal administration has run Oakland into the ground and deprived Blacks of the chance at a good life. Oakland teachers are as stupid as sticks and the Union protects them in their base stupidity. Ther is no way to improve the school system when the Union fights tooth and nail to stop it.

As for the lack of manners and civliity in public spaces. I blame the parents of inner city children. I have never seen a racist incident in Oakland that wasn't perpetrated against whites or another minority by Blacks. One time in San Leandro I saw a group of kids drive by and call a white girl who was with her Black boyfriend a N' lover. That is it. Othet than that I have seen white person after white person attacked by blacks. I get attacked verbally all the time just for walking down the street. I have also been physically attacked and spat on.

There is no institutionalized racism toward Blacks in Oakland. The police dept may have some problems but that is because they are soured on Blacks too. They see a lot of really bad shit. Stuff you can't even imagine in your little liberal pacifist heart. I lived through it and it is ugly.

Blacks run this town. And they run it like the wild west. It behooves Blacks to educate their children so that they respect others and others can respect them. this is something teachers and parents are unwilling to do. They are raising their children to be as disrespectful of authority as it is possible to be. You just try and ride public transit once in a while. Raising your kids like this does them a great disservice. How are they expected to conduct themselves in a workplace. Who wants to hire them when they snap off and threaten everyone. And yes some of them are professionally lazy. Nothing has been expected of them ever. Not in school or at home. Most of them have had no father and are used to doing whatever they feel like. You see them as deprived while the truth is they are coddled and spoiled beyond belief. They don't work but they have fancy phones and expensive shoes. Most of all they do not want anyone to tell them what to do.

I have co-workers whose kids refuse to get jobs. They think basic entry level jobs are beneath them. But do they want to take the time and trouble to get an education and get better jobs hell no.

To tell the truth I think you are like most of the liberals I know and don't have any Black friends or even know any Black people. I know them, love them and accept them with their flaws. But I admit they have flaws. Inner city Black culture is a death warrant for young black men. Young Black girls have no future either. Social workers have not made a dent in this problem. The government, no matter how liberal, has no record of success at pulling people out of poverty. I will tell you what works. Religious organizations. I am an athiest, but I believe that the Black Muslim church has done more for Black men than government programs ever will. AA, Habitat for Humanity, Catholic Charities, Glide Memorial Church are all more successful than government, yet the liberals are still trying to get more funding for programs that have been proven failures. Head Start for instance.

You can make excuses for Blacks all you want. Liberals have been doing that for years and look at the state Blacks are in. Maybe you think if you can just get all the conservatives to make excuses for Blacks problems and crimes or to admit that all Blacks's problems are caused by "slavery" everything will be great after that. That's bullshit. The liberals need to admit something too, that is that Black inner city culture is destructive and that liberals are responsible in part for encouraging irresponsibilty in the general society during the 60's and that has had a horrific impact on the underclass. Making the government support women with dependent children instead of the Black men who fathered them. Discouraging marriage except among gays and destigmatizing illegitamacy. The left decided that traditional families were passe. Well study after study has proven that traditional families are the best way to raise children. The left loves studies so they should listen to that one.

I thank God the Chinese Americans are still following the traditional family route. I don't have one Asian friend whose father left the family. You can't argue with success and the Chinese-Americans have the model. They should let them run Oakland. Lots of them are poor and work 2 or 3 jobs, yet raise successful civilized and educated children. Hell I ride the bus with blind people who have jobs and across from the blind people are Black men bragging about how they don't work while chugging from a can in a bag on their way to stay with one of their many women who live in a low income housing project for the night. So I am in the thick of it and I have a different idea that you about how Blacks are doing and the reasons for it.

Other than feeling sorry for Blacks I don't see what crendentials you have to comment on them other than your "feelings."

At 8:45 PM , Anonymous average joe said...

Wow, that one really set you off. You know, you have a lot of hostility and it shows in your writing. You have obviously let your emotions and personal negative experiences cloud your judgment and thinking. You appeal to your “credentials” as having experienced violence at the hands of African Americans as proof that you are right. Well I’ve got news for you, it’s precisely why you’re wrong. Your constant appeal to your subjective experiences apparently inhibits you from seeing the larger picture, which I will not waste my time repeating. You question my “credentials” because you hope that your negative personal experiences with blacks will “outdo” mine and that’s a very weak argument. It is not about that. I do not let any of the violent/racist/unpleasant experiences I have had with any race effect my view of that race in general. And yes they have occurred but they have no place in this discussion.

Its like I’m arguing with a brick wall. You have this argument that you have spent a lifetime constructing and your just spilling it out and not even listening to me. I never said that ALL black’s problems come from slavery, but you twisted my words to fit your argument. I do not contest that there is no institutionalized racism in Oakland and I never said there was. You rant about the behavior that blacks exhibit in Oakland and you are quick to blame yet you give no thought to how this behavior was learned. You simply pass judgment and point the finger. Again, you don’t seem to understand that I agree with much of what you recommend will fix the problem.

I’m not going to provide you with a phone list of my black friends because again, this is irrelevant. You don’t listen. You are a broken record. Again you accuse my discussion of environmental factors as defending blacks. I won’t correct you this time because I don’t think you get it.

Your discussion of blacks on busses proves that you have a marvelous grasp of the obvious and nothing more. You can’t tell me that blacks are inherently genetically/racially inferior (which is what you are saying) based on that. You completely deny the existence or the importance of the larger picture. Where you live is irrelevant to what I’m saying and I’m not going to get in a shoving match over who has more battles scars. Let me know if you ever escape from your tiny little box.

At 12:58 PM , Blogger Miss Carnivorous said...

You feel guilty and you should feel guilty, not for slavery but for what you white liberals have done to the black community in the last 30 years. There is no point in arguing with you. You are ignorant about reality like all liberals. It is a problem of brain fuction. You are missing the rational parts of your brain. You just admitted that you have experienced racist behavior from blacks. Why is it ok for them to lay a trip on you but it is not ok for us to feel bad about it. You are a pathetic, selected against wanna be. Remember this, just because they will kill you last doesn't make you their buddy.

As for what you think of me and my racist attitudes or my bus experiences I could care less what white liberals think about anything important. That is, if they even think, which I have never seen any proof of. They don't think they feel. feelings are facts. I hope that one day you will come to see the error of your ways and stop enabling the ruiniation of Black culture.

You have spent a lot of time bitching like a little girl on my blog. I thought you were a woman. When I called you puddin'. It wasn't until I went back and looked at your name I found out you were a guy. I meet too many old white liberal women who talk like you. Old hippie chicks. You are not even Black and you do not live in a black area and, no, you do not have any black friends and you are saying something to me. Fuck you. You have decided that you don't like my thinking. You have found me guilty of thought crimes. You are way too worried about what some one else thinks. I don't care what you think. I have not tried to change you mind. So why are you wasting time trying to change mine. What's it to you?

I'll tell you what, I have the same discussion I am having with you, with my Black friends, and they agree with me, not you. They know their people need tough love and self responsibility. They know their men and a lot of their kids are majorly fucked up.

What's it to you what I think? Am I out commiting racist acts? How does my feelings about my own life experiences matter to you? You are quick to defend the racist and criminal behavior of blacks but very quick to condemn my behavior. I am a law abiding citizen. I take care of my own and respect others. So because I think that Blacks should be responsible too, that makes me a bad person. Are whites expected to be better than blacks? Super human?

I am not out to prove anything to idiot liberals. I don't write this blog for them, yet every once in awhile some liberal like you comes on and goes on for days saying the same old shit they always say. Talk about your broken records.

At 3:38 PM , Anonymous average joe said...

That's funny, you start a blog and then get upset if someone holds an extended debate with you. If you don't like to argue, then why do you have a blog? I think you just run out of stupid things to say and then resort to personal attacks and name calling when you get backed into a corner. Anyway, get your facts straight because I am not Dan, and I didn't jump into this conversation until after his post. And since when did opinions have gender stereotypes. I wasn't aware that there were "male" and "female" opinions about race. Thanks for clearing that up for me. You have proven you are capable of hating every group that exists as we can now women to the list of people you despise.

At 5:54 PM , Anonymous average joe said...

oh, and by the way, my black friends agree with me. so how are we gonna settle this? should we tally up our black friends and whomever has more is right?

At 2:53 PM , Blogger Miss Carnivorous said...

Who has resorted to name calling? You people on the left are the best at it. You started off calling me a birdbrain. I no longer respond to you because there is nothing left to say. I am not going to change your mind and you are not going to change mine. What is the point of you checking my blog every day to see what I have to say to you. Why do you care what I think? You still have not answered that question. That is the major problem with liberals is that they are intolerant of people whose views are actually different, while claiming to be accepting of differences. As for oyu having Black friends I know that you don't because liberal whites have nothing whatsoever in common with most Blacks. Blacks like TV. Soap operas, sports, Amrica Idol and eating fatty foods. The hate nature. Liberals hate TV, sports and are vegetarians and enjoy hiking around in the woods. You are like foreigners to Black people. They have more in common with redneck crackers than liberals.

At 7:34 PM , Anonymous average joe said...

Wow, you prove to be more and more ignorant every time. I AM NOT DAN. I didn't write that entry. Do you understand me? Can you read? If I was you I would say that you're just like all the other conservatives out there that think they know everything and refuse to listen. To answer your question, I know I will never change your mind but I feel it is my duty as a rational human being to tell you how wrong you are. See ya.

At 10:44 AM , Blogger Miss Carnivorous said...

Oh of course it's obvious I can't read. It's ironic that you claim to not have been the one to insult my intelligence while simultaneously insulting it. Hee hee.

As for you being the be all and end all of the educational system and it being your God given duty to edumacate the masses. You all have been educating the inner city kids for 40 years now and look how fucked up they are, thank you very much. If you think I am ignorant you have only those like yourself to blame.

The reason you have been posting on this blog is not that you are trying to educate me at all. I know way more about Blacks and their pathologies and their struggles than you do, young man. I don't need you to tell me anything. It's you who will eventually realize that I was right and you are wrong. You, like most liberals, can not take it when someone else believes differently than you do. It's that simple. Other peoples ideas are not acceptable. Why else have you spent the last few weeks shoving your opinions down my throat? As I said before, I don't write my blog for liberals, I write it for people who share my ideology. I do not consider it my duty to reeducate liberals. It is my duty to counter the damaging effects of liberals.

At 3:29 PM , Anonymous average joe said...

Well, pointing out the incoherentness of your argument is proving to be extremely tedious indeed. Do you know what the word ignorant means? It means that one lacks knowledge or awareness and by using it to describe your assumption that I was Dan is simply stating a fact...not a personal attack on your intelligence. So you can now feel better about yourself knowing that my intent was not to resort to your style of personal attack. "Fuck you" I believe was your preferred phrase.

I have been accused of a lot of things in my day, but being a teacher is a new one. I don't see how my complete noninvolvement with the Oakland public schools makes me an accomplice to their failure. Yes that is a new one. Your inability to separate individuals from groups is really something that you should work on. Hey, you work in a library...they should have some books on that.

As for your third paragraph, your argument is so mixed up that I'm not sure even you know what you are supposedly "right" about. By the way, you claim to keep your opinions to others that share it defies logic. What do you think you have been doing for the last three weeks? You have engaged me just as much as I have engaged you. Except you have been immature and emotional in your arguments. You have been shoving your opinions down my throat as well. This is your blog, true. But let me remind you that this is still a public forum and by the looks of it, it is you who "can not take it when someone else believes differently than you do."

At 3:28 PM , Blogger Miss Carnivorous said...

You are a liberal and so are responsible for the state of affairs in the inner city. I do blame you directly. What you and people like you do is criminal. You are coming from the UC website, right? Hopefully you are not going to have an influence on public policy when you leave there. I will keep my fingers crossed.

At 4:05 PM , Anonymous average joe said...

You seem to be obsessed with creating feelings of in-group amity and out-group enmity. You see someone's opinion that is not your own, you label that person the "enemy" and you refuse to admit that cooperation is possible or that the person may have even one good point. You are an extremist. I don't know you personally but you give off warning signs of sociopathy.

Every post that you have on this site begins with, "my leftist coworker this, my right wing friend that." I don't understand why you put everyone in groups, refuse to compromise, and think that you are superior to everyone else ALL THE TIME. I have admitted that some of the things you have said are right but you refuse to acknowledge any of my views as being valid.

I don't mean any disrespect here but I have to say I was troubled when I first read the quote on your blog that you seem to be empowered by. You should really ask yourself why your grandmother told you as a child, "You're nasty, you're nasty all the time." Why do you think that this is a good thing? Maybe your "nastyness" is a defense mechanism that you are using to reperess some other underlying issue that is troubling you. You should really think about this.

At 5:18 PM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

it shouldn't matter what race you are, or what sex, or anything. It a shame that we still live in a country that descriminates just because of what's on the exterior.

At 8:27 PM , Blogger Miss Carnivorous said...

Thanks for the sage advice Joe. Psychiatry being the liberal's favorite religion and all. It's so nice to know that you are thinking about me and worried. But don't you trouble your average head over lil ole me, I'll be just fine, ta very much. After all, sociopaths don't care what other people think. We just go on about our business blithely.

As Miriam Makeba used to say about designating people by race in South Africa, in my country, one has to be specific. In case you haven't noticed, my blog is a right wing blog. I say right wing co-worker because he, like me, is a minority. My one and only right wing co-worker, bless his little baby heart. I mention this for the sake of narritive. To tell a story. I am writing it for others of my ilk, not for you at all. My few fans from Louisiana never complain.

I unlike you, do not visit the other side's blogs and take them to task for their opinions. One because I have heard it all before, two because they bore me, they are not funny in the clever style I enjoy and three, because they don't write them for me.

As for my Grandma saying I am nasty, she is not the only person to do so. My blog is nasty, look at the name. I have never claimed to be nice. I grew up in the ghetto, to me nice means weak. I have never aspired to be nice, nor shall I. If this bothers you, take comfort in knowing that other than to men I have dated, I have never caused any harm to another human being and as for the exes, they got over it, soon enough.

But take comfort, I have an all staff meeting scheduled with Mayor Dellums and soon may write another inflammatory post about it. Which I am sure you may love to hate.

At 3:12 PM , Anonymous average joe said...

The only problem I have with you is that to this point you have listened to a few of my words, twisted them around to suit your argument, and then superfluously generalized and enlarged my opinions to match those of liberals as a whole. The problem I have with you is that I don't think you really know what I think.

At 3:46 PM , Blogger Miss Carnivorous said...

Here you go Joe. I will never be as good as you, as nice as you or as empathetic as you. I could never care about the Black people I have lived amongst and grown up with and attended the weddings and the funerals of, more than you care for amorphous people you don't even know personally. I am just a mean old ignorant, white racist devotee of the KKK. Since I have not the intelligence to learn or understand the error of my ways, I am just a hopeless case. Rightwing co-worker calls Liberals, "New Age Missionaries" and he is right. You're are on a mission to change my "primitive ways," but I prefer to keep my indiginous culture, thank you.

I will throw you a bone, though.

You are the epitome of all that is good, right and perfect. Your opinions are the be all and end all of rightousness and beauty. If only all Conservatives would take your learned and experienced advice and put it into practice (as they are doing in all the inner cities across America) the world would be a paradise of brotherly love and peacefulness. I am not worthy to kiss the bottoms of your liberal do gooder boots. I plead guilty to all manner of thought crimes, Comrade Stalin, Sir. Now are you satisfied. Now you may move on.

At 2:38 PM , Anonymous average joe said...

Well again you have proven that you have no ability to read what I write and then respond in a way that reflects nothing about what I have said. Maybe next time I should just copy and paste a section of the weather report and then you can respond to it by telling me how I am the thought police. I am beginning to think you are some sort of robot or auto response that just reponds to my comments in the same way that I get a response from different people that are out of the office. Do you have anything else meaningful to say or are you just done and want to respond sarcatically.

You live in a society that is was founded on liberal democratic values. If it were not so you would be prevented from expressing you opinions. Your rant about liberals being the thought police doesn't make any sense. You need to get your definitions straight. Communists and Fascists are the ones you seem to be against-not liberals. Those two systems would single you out Miss C, and throw you in jail for having this blog. Not liberals orr me for that matter.

By the way, I think communism and fascism both suck eand I think both sides are guilty of crimes in the Arab Israeli conflict.

It would be fun if you would quit the sarsasm, generalizing, and name calling and sit down and have serious discussion about the issues here. If you can't maybe its because you are somehow incapable...

(insert your sarcastic, generalizing, emotional, comment here)

At 9:03 PM , Blogger Miss Carnivorous said...

Yes and many of your ilk would love to censor my blog. You don't like what I say. As for responding to anything you say directly I have told you I discount what you think entirely. I have done since I was in Jr high and realized the major problem in the inner city was liberal teachers who felt so sorry for the poor that they were rendered incapable of disciplining children and teaching them the skills they needed to be accepted across societal lines.

As for the Israeli/Palestinian issue, liberals cannot pick a side, their wishy washyness precludes it. They are frozen when it comes to criticizing "people of color" Even though the arabs consider themselves very "white." Liberals don't want to make value judgements except about their fellow Americans and Israelis of course, the only universally accepted scapegoats of the left. Because if they make a wrong move, pfft, they are outcasts like Joseph Lieberman. It is Stalinistic and puritanical. Thanks for admitting that the Palestinians may have done wrong, but I am sure you would add a lot of qualifiers.

Conservatives can choose sides. I think to myself, who would I prefer to live among, hmm. It would be Israelis, who share many of my values, although they are way too liberal for me, and the Orthodox jews might throw rocks at me if I wear a tank top, but compared to Palestinians they are marvelous indeed. If everyone acted like the Palestinians the whole world would be really fucked up, if they acted like Israelis, it would only be slightly problematic. The Palestinians, like modern Americans and the Native Americans before them, had problems with immigrants. Not surprising. But their reaction to it caused them and many people throughout the world a lot of pain and misery.

Looks like we in California will have to put up with the total changing of our culture and our own marginalization, just as the Palestinians did. I hope we won't begin a war on the Hispanics when we realize we are swamped and our schools are totally ruined and our voting power is neutralized and the Latinos are voting our taxes sky high to pay for their special programs because their kids don't finish school and don't work and are all pregnant by their own uncles.

Yes I am sarcastic, always have been, always will be. You know this, so why engage with me? What exactly are you trying to achieve here? I must ask you again, what is it that makes you care what I think, about you or anything else? If you didn't, you would not be haunting my blog. You have never answered me, maybe you don't read what I write.

As for admitting that we live a liberal society, formed on Democratic values, hooray, a liberal admitted it. Shocking! Most liberals think this country is a steaming pile of shit founded by evil white rapists. Or maybe I am just soured on Bay Area liberals. Maybe there are liberals with reasonable, rational opinions but I haven't met any.

At 7:09 AM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

Miss Carnivorous, Im coming to Oakland in a few months for a concert. Can you please tell me how not to be killed?
I'm white and really would like to stay alive through my visit to Oakland. Do I avoid all brownish people? That would seem a safe bet, but might be tricky.
Any advice is appreicated.

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